Email letter of Pannirbr on Sep, 21, 2008

Hello Benjamin

Thank you bringing here very important points related with sustainable Food energy approach

On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Benjamin Domingo Bof <benjaminbof@yahoo.com.ar>
Dear colleagues, in my studies about sugar cane we discover how to hydrolyzes sugar cane baggasse. Using calcium hydroxide solution sprayed over it is possible to use as cow and cattle fodder. Also by means enzymes is able to produce glucose an then ethanol by fermentation.

After this treatments , some silage can improve the quality of animal feed too , increasing the digestibility

Please calculate comparing both ways wet path and pyrolysis and perhaps you recover less energy from pyrolysis of sugar cane baggasse . Firewood is good to gasification and is bad for cellulose production till eucalyptus whose lignin content is near 27 percent needed an high percentage of soda to break cellulose from lignin producing black liquor.

The lignin content need especial attention, that can make or break the energy problems The wet biomass gasification do have more Energy input and can not compete with bio conversion methods, thus combined feed to cow , get animal wastes , make biogas will be less energy input , thus make posible to make both milk, energy for alcohol production via biogas of easy well known digestion, then lignin part after pressing the solid and drying, geting liquid fertilizer ,can be gasified too to make biochar and energy .This is more appropriate for viable decentralized energy production too

Here in São Paulo state are many tests of ethanol and milk production. Enrique Ortega from Unicamp was developed an whole system for energy production using sugar cane to ethanol and thirty percent of cane syrup goes to cattle.Transport in small propertys is made by mules running only thousand feet in media from plantation to mill.

In our integrated system model of Animal feed , fuel fertilizer and food, there is little need to have wood burning , as more cows using calcium treated as well as urea suplimentation, can enable to recover fiber, fuel fertilizer using biodigestores .As lignin content is less the fibers as animal feed can be easily recovered from can straw or leaves.

Some Indian sugar factory become energy exporter using this sugar can leaves wastes to the boiler of the sugar and alcohol from molasses .Yet in several countries Brazil , not yet practised . thus several countries can easily make biochar via boiler too along with renewable fast growing biomass of trees


This is how the future the de centralized small micro distillery moved by bullock or othr animal can save energy , that is needed for all

Boiler is fired using high density eucaliptus firewood plantations and next step to improve this system is to use gasifiers for made steam and wood gas to drive electric gensets to drive cane mills and electric energy for property.

Making charcoal and Biogas using integral total biomass utilization can also be achieved.
Making mushroom after calcium steam treatments can give mushroom , then we get biogas, liquid fertilizer and fiber animal feed recovery too , Thus making enzymatic hydrolysis an practical reality , The cow can save mechanical energy milling the lignocellulosics material (Biomass)too saving enormous energy input , this biocoversion more economical one for fibrous material , but not the case with lignified material such as wood , whether the thermo conversion and gasification need to be preferred method.

The huge amount of present worker in the suagar can field need jobs too , as mechanization is doe very fast ( SOON SOME MILLIONS WILL BE OUT OF JOB IN BRAZIL FROM SUGAR CAN FIELD TOO ) , new approach and better re engineering of alcohol and cheese making plants using Zero emission approach, known as ZERI needed.We has started to use this methodolgy along with our software, process simulator Super Pro Designer to make viable and sustainable eco industrial project of energy , food from waste of sugarcane and milk industries.In this projects Charcoal making and gasification surely can play important role too as what you wrote here is not an off topics and less relevant for our members , but very important choice of correct biomass feedstocks , which can make or break the energy viability ofany industry. The integrated CHEESE , MILK , ETHANOL CAN MAKE NEW SMALL ECO INDUSTRIAL AS VIABLE CLUSTER, CAN GROW LIKE MUSHROOM TO MAKE FOOD(MUSHROOM), FUEL(biogas), Feed(short fiber), liquid fertilizer (Vinasse efluents),Biochar (from bioler or gasification units) and wood gas Energy from fast growing trees. the ecological system engineering of this zeri method is the focu our wiki study(www.ecosyseng.wetpaint.com)

With very kind regard to our most contributing Benjamin , some tribute for your several very post in our list as South America , from where we are there, is far ahead experimenting energy problems ;making new model for decentralized energy production too as all sugarcane factory are also becoming the Energy production unit ,thus contributing , the low cost of ethanol production in our country.If not, other wise, ethanol alone is not viable even in Brazil with its vast lands , water , but the technology you have correctly pointed out in your recent post is the innovative ecological way the food and energy problems that need to be solved.I wise our list member from India ,Africa, Australia, Thailand and Asia all also need to look into our South American energy and food production model, in order to make their one , not following the Centralized Developed Nation model of isolated energy production units, as Biomass can play its key role , more important too our biomass group too , this how now Brazilian economy is not affected, very few country who has escaped the inflation , energy crisis as well as food .

And also our bioenergy list members giving the best examples of how to bring solution for the present energy and Food crysis of our only united globalised nations, with time and interet , less we can see exclusions.several experts such as dr REED, JEF, William and Tom all as an engie leading us , sharing their valuable experience and time , making the young new one have all ready made to make more biomass energy in the world , to exclude darkness, light for all.These leaders of list including Benjamin need tribute here , as we have several thousand lookers just see links , participants like me jus only take away information as with little contributions. Our coordinators of this Gasification websites which are managed by Tom Miles and Erin Rasmussen of T.R. Miles , the well organized web pages , no where one can see such as real open resource on line . They are do very hard work to make our information flow as the speed of the rocket to all the place of the world , yet some new members move with the bullock cart speed to get and apply the bio energy projects as we all have complete wikipedia, how to do well organized total information , biomass projects. We all complete wikipedia how to do well organized total information of many biomass projects.My especial thanks to Tom Miles wok for their professional high quality multimedia based web site and also very fast data access of all what have been debated by us.


Kind regards

Pannirselvam