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Remember that scene in Back to the Future, where Doc comes back from 2015 with the flying DeLorean, and fills it up with banana peels as a source of fuel? Well, apparently we’re getting close to that. Jim Mason and the folks at All Power Labs have created an entry for the Automotive X-Prize that is powered by gasification and biochar, which roughly speaking, is “the use of heat to transform solid biomass, or other carbonaceous solids, into a synthetic ‘natural gas like’ flammable fuel.”

Like the Aptera (which is also planning to enter the competition), the outside-the-box thinking that created the All Power Labs vehicle has also created some outside-the-box problems. For example: How do you measure the miles per gallon of a car that uses organic matter as fuel, and which produces a positive byproduct (biochar, an excellent fertilizer and carbon sequesterer)? Also consider that gasification is a carbon negative process: does that mean it wins the greenhouse gas emission part of the competition by default? These are ultimately good problems to have, and my guess is the spirit of the competition—“To inspire a new generation of viable, super-efficient vehicles that help break our addiction to oil and stem the effects of climate change”—means that the organizers will figure out how to judge the All Power Labs entry. Via. Images via FFFFound.
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http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/009700.html

Hacking The Auto X-Prize

Jeremy Faludi
April 6, 2009 5:48 AM
Article Photo The Progressive Automotive X-Prize is the latest high-profile contest from the folks who kick-started space tourism with the original X Prize. The goal of the Auto X Prize is "To inspire a new generation of viable, super-efficient vehicles that help break our addiction to oil and stem the effects of climate change." Most entries to the contest are hybrids, electric cars, super-efficient combustion engines, and the like. But Jim Mason of All Power Labs, a homebrew gasification-and-biochar startup, is trying to make a bold statement by entering the contest with a vehicle that runs entirely on the contest's own waste. Cheeky as that is, it's not even the best part -- the best part is, their system should automatically win the emissions part of the competition, beating million-dollar R&D programs of major automakers with a DIY hack on an old pickup truck. (Their entry won't be the vehicle shown above.) How could it win? Because gasification with biochar is, in theory, a carbon-negative process. Gasifiers can turn any organic matter (peanut shells, wood chips, unused copies of the X-Prize's own 68-page-long competition guidelines) into fuel through a process of pyrolysis that gives off "syngas," a combination of hydrogen and carbon monoxide gases. Those gases can then be burned very cleanly in an engine, producing water and CO2 exhaust. Of course, depending what the original organic matter is, and how well-tuned to it the gasifier is, there can be other impurities as well; but there is a large benefit that most combustion processes don't have: the leftovers of the pyrolysis process are biochar, which is good fertilizer for gardens or fields, and which also happens to sequester more carbon than burning the syngas gives off. Hence the carbon-negative process. Mason says:
The result is the very odd and somewhat dangerous notion that "the more we drive the car, the more we scrub greenhouse gases from the atmosphere" ...
I have no idea if and how the Auto X Prize will deal with this entry. It causes lots of issues/problems for how they have structured their rules. They can't just agree to calc the GHG equivalents like the biochar enthusiasts would do, or we win that category by default. But they also can't just ignore it. Hopefully it will at least provoke an interesting conversation.
The truck may have a hard time achieving the X-Prize's desired 100mpg equivalent -- would they allow the leftover biochar to be subtracted from the mass of input fuel, because it's a useful product? The actual fuel burned by the truck's engine will be the syngas given off by pyrolysis, which is a tiny fraction of the total mass of fuel put into the gasifier. The majority of the fuel turns into char. Hopefully the Auto X-Prize will accept their entry and let them race. Allowing them into the competition certainly furthers many of the competition's goals: Offering a "level playing field" that newcomers can participate in, educating the public on the possibility of carbon-negative fuel processes (which sounds like science fiction, and most people would never believe), and benefiting the world. If today All Power labs can make a pickup truck named 88MPH that runs on shredded contest pamphlets, maybe tomorrow we can have Deloreans running on banana peels and other household scraps. Who knows? The small  biomass Car from Wastes - Ecological System Engineering
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Comments
Uhh, I don't get it. If it emits CO2 and H2O then how is it a carbon negative process. Unless it has some sort of solid carbon waste, there's no scientific way it can be carbon negative. Posted by: scwizard on April 7, 2009 9:07 PM
The thinking goes, the pamphlets would be decomposing within a few years, releasing CO2. Here, they are being converted to pure carbon at 30-50% efficiency. If the carbon is buried in the ground, the net is negative. Posted by: tom G on April 8, 2009 11:38 AM
Nonono, they're being converted into pure CO2 which is then being immediately released into the atmosphere, unless this motor vehicle has some sort of carbon trapped attached to So these pamphlets instead of leaking CO2 into the atmosphere slowly are quickly being releasing their CO2 into the atmosphere. Posted by: scwizard on April 9, 2009 3:58 PM
Oh I see what you're saying. That there is a degree of solid carbon waste that would result that wouldn't decompose. Posted by: scwizard on April 9, 2009 4:01 PM
The half time of biochar in soil is hard to calculate because of its recalcitrance. However, it has been calculated to figures between 2000 and 7000 years (HALF-TIME!)
That means that the burying if biochar as a by-product of the engine is the closest we can come to a carbon-negative transport system. However the production of the steel in the care emits about 1 kg carbon dioxide per kg steel, so it has to travel a rather long time in order to reach the point of carbon-negativeness. However, an ordinary car NEVER reach that point, however long mileage it has.
Burying biomass is not at good idea. In access of oxygen (in soils) it has a half-time far less than 40 years. Withotut oxygen, it is devoured by mathanogenic bacteria, releasing methane, a 13 times worse GHG than carbon dioxide
FG Posted by: Folke Günther on April 10, 2009 3:20 AM
The thing that the story doesn't mention about the carbon-negative aspect is that if the biochar (also called terra prieta) is applied to soil in an organic setting, fertility and productivity goes up. Also, the lattice structure that is innate in the biochar fosters the growth of all sorts of good biomass that further increases fertility AND sequesters ADDITIONAL carbon. So, in theory, if the biochar from vehicles like these were used as soil amendment in agricultural or managed forestry systems, more carbon would be sucked down into the soil than would be emitted. And I think that we are not even adding in the biomass that would grow above ground (I think). Please let us step out of our reductionist boxes, folks. It's all about the systems and interactions! Posted by: Brent on April 10, 2009 8:35 AM
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Dr PANNIRSELVAM CRITICAL POSTS ON BIOENERGY LIST

Hi Jim

You wrote :i'm fearing
our entry is creating technical difficulties for the committee to relate to more
typical entries.

Most of the people who are doing project development are engineering or technical people . As I am an university engineering Research oriented Professor , UFRN, Natal , Brazil ,teaching project development subject to engineering students as as well as the subjects rrelated to the environmental impact of the technology , can understand well why they only bother about technical problems as well as difficulties, not the whole sustainable problems , which I wish to bring here your attention .Let us as have a look at the past what All big AUTO Industry had been in the case of biomass based bio ethanol fuel car project In Brazil. The Auto industry has rejected to make a car adopted to hydrated ethanol mainly due to technical problems as useless , The Brazilian government need to make this car , making possible technological change . This is an critical event bio fuel project for the survival Brazilian ethanol projects , as even the Auto industry yet ignore these bio fuel project for technical reasons , but the projects made Brazil more sustainable Bio Energy producer of the world today , even the rich country who has biomass resource such as Australia is not able to implement ethanol bio fuel project because of the the Auto industry technical difficulties concepts, making it impossible as you correctly identified the problems as they have limited vision and just the look only for the free energy , free money , not understand yet the problem of technological innovation and sustainable problem , and also they need to make some risk too .

Thus several innovations were made possible , as approved by many of the list members here about technical problems , they do not even want to know and I am sure as you point out that they are on the way on the other end of things from the image of a sleek electric car where discussions of "future transport" usually start. Here is the place a lot of research and development money usually had been spent with little output or innovation , not for useful project one that of biomass car

I like very much your final consideration note about that what they like is free energy scheme as if biomass very cheap , is waste ,so all can make free money from free biomass waste.

Some one even giving comment there that what you are doing is pyrolysis and bio char , not gasification , then giving a note that you are making CO2 problems , as if there no such problems now.
Latter they may ask you pay for the co2 credit too from you , as the one do not considered biomass resource are renewable , as the co2 is not same as the non renewable

Jim , as you who has made several technical innovations , as you correctly pointed out the opportunity of the technological change , can see the opportunity is there much in the rural areas, as this one is for rural transport , where we all know here in this list , there can not be any free energy , or any free money for the Free prosperity made possible freely , but the whole system involves , the outcome from Bio char , the bio oil as well as the the wood Tar too even a small quantity of these products , during long time operation can make or break the biomass car project as well the risk involved

Those who develop the car , like microsoft window mouse tied with the software has no idea that they are involved in the making of the hardware that need to be different than the car of hybrid , hydrogen and electrical. I agree with you that what they really need to understand is that the technology change can be made possible using the open source , such as the google approach, making the car using waste , showing that not as an free energy , very low operating cost alone , but has several real byproducts too . This new technological change is an urgent need not only for rural area but also urban as the ruralization of urban are can be made possible from waste from urban .Every where in the planet , particular in Europe and North , we all have destroyed the biomass resource in urban to the extent of more than 80 percent , where as this is only y less than 60 in Brazil .
The biomass powered car from waste using bio char need to take into the these several new opportunities in all dimension so that all the byproducts from the this project make this project to be more economical, environmentally correct one , socially desirable .This can be well understood from live example , if one carefully look into the fact that how low cost bio ethanol from Brazil are sustained from several byproducts .in a similar way , the bio char , bio oil and tar even small amount , are different concepts apposite to the one the other end of things from the image of a sleek electric car where discussions of "future transport" usually start.The biomass refinery type small car project is an innovative project has urgent need . As you wish , I also request , as most of the list members know more about this subject , give their valuable comments , make clear several points , as what all we need is the AUTO industry also change their altitude , make investments also in the biomass car project area too, as this also have good opportunity , in spite of what they see only the technical difficulty , not take care of the economical and environmental benefits . I wish that Biomass Car from waste , need most of our list members very strong support . Indian 30000 dolar Nano car as well china cheaper car for 3 billions people are just on the way to come as this will have larger impact on the fuel price , other wise , there will be no fuel for all , then the only correct option for the future is the biomass car from wastes.There will be great green future for all if we do do our good work on green biomass waste car project at present , if not we can face dark age , more power cut every where in the future world with the future big economical crisis , north Corea south, Japan , Israel Palestinian , Indian , Pakistan ,Srilanka Racial war due to regional underdevelopments with more powercuts ,Russian and china against capitalised country war European .the cold war history may reapat again for the power resouce .
A biomass based power can make global impact to reduce this risk of more future cols war due to limited resource and survival .The Big Auto will have the loss , if they do not see this risk , now they know what it mean the economical crysis , as the Big AUTO Industry may not know now how to manage workers, reduce hours waht it it mean to send the qualified people to stopm working,but yet make possible they survive too as they do not understand what really the sustainability means.but there is a hope that the unemployed qualified Auto worker can make this cheap Biomass car into reality as they can solve technical difficulties well compared to big Auto executives

Yours truly
PANNIRSELVAM P.V






On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:52 AM, jim mason <jim@allpowerlabs.org> wrote:
http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/teams

the auto x prize has announced their teams for the race, and so far ours is
not among them. from an earlier phone call i had with the folks, our entry
seemed so far outside the option horizon they were considering that it was
simply not computing. just the gasification part was baffling to them. the
tech committee apparently claimed the proposed was not possible. they had
no idea of the history of gasification in mobile transport, nor that most
early internal combustion engine infrastructure was run on producer gas
before petroleum sources. and that was well before trying to explain why
biochar is interesting and relevant for a transportation contest.

here's a note i just wrote to them, goading them with some recent press on
our proposal. if people here could help the comment discussion on the
articles, or send the x prize folks a note, it would likely help the
conversation along. i think they think this is a joe cell free energy
scheme or something.


thanks,

jim


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bethann and julie,

i'm wondering where things are with our entry. as i have not heard anything,
and you have already announced all the other approved entrants, i'm fearing
our
entry is creating technical difficulties for the committee to relate to more
typical entries.

i hope you will consider the many ways in which this is a feature of our
entry,
and not a bug. we are clearly proposing something outside the typical option
horizon for individual transport-- one which opens up many questions not
usually
asked, and solutions not usually considered. we are way on the other end of
things from the image of a sleek electric car where discussions of "future
transport" usually start.

the immediate impact of this is lots of media attention in smart venues, and
lots of good conversation about full energy systems. how did a discussion
about
the auto x prize suddenly involve agriculture and land management? this is
what
has been happening with all the press on our proposed entry, and how
difficult
it will likely be for you all to figure out what to do with our entry.
here's
the list if you have not seen the recent.

Good magazine blog
http://www.good.is/post/a-car-that-runs-on-organic-waste/

Worldchaging
http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/009700.html

Wired
http://blog.wired.com/cars/2009/03/new-x-prize-ent.html


more press will likely be on the way soon. so tell me if i can help in any
way
to figure out what to do with this?

jim



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